Revised Exorcism Right
I read something today that I thought was a bit disturbing. I was reading this interview with Father Gabriel Amorth who is the Chief Exorcists of Rome. In this article they talked about the revised version of the exorcism Right. “This long-awaited Ritual has turned into a farce. An incredible obstacle that is likely to prevent us acting against the demon.” So it doesn’t work!? That’s not quite what I expected to hear.
The question was asked, “But wasn’t the New Ritual put together by specialists?” “Not at all… I can affirm with certainty that none of the members of these commissions had ever performed an exorcism.” I found this scary. What is going on? People in the church are starting to believe that Satan isn’t real.
“His strategy is always along the same lines. I have told him this and he admits it… He makes people believe that hell does not exist, that sin does not exist, and that he is nothing but one more experience to try out. Concupiscence, success and power are the three great passions on which Satin relies.”
Well there it is we know the enemy’s plan (as we always have) he admits it and is pretty proud of it I’m sure. In another part is says that a bishop is required to appoint an exorcist under cannon law, we probably already knew that but, what I didn’t know was this:
“But if a bishop finds himself before a serious request for an exorcism- that is to say one that has not been made by someone deranged- and he does nothing, he commits a mortal sin. He is then responsible for the terrible sufferings endured by this person. Sufferings which sometimes last for years or even an entire lifetime, and which he could have prevented.”
But of course a mortal sin requires full knowledge of what you’re doing and that it is indeed a sin so, ignorance may be saving the bishops in countries like Germany, Switzerland, Spain, and Portugal where there aren’t any exorcists. This is yet another sad and scary reality that we are faced with. We all know that Satan in the end will not triumph, but at the moment it looks like he is. We see this situation almost any good movie and story, that when it looks likes that evil will win over good, that’s when good, kicks it into overdrive and completely devastates evil. This is what is going to happen. Satan “…may win battles and even important battles. But never the war.” This just goes to prove that we, as Catholics, must pray more and do more penance. The demon is trying to cut our feet out from under us but if we are prepared we can plan a good counter attack.
There are many good stories of the saints and there experiences with the demon. Like St. Francis who said to one “You can do nothing to me other than what God permits you to do, so do you’re worst.” Or like St Anthony the Great who said “If you could really do me any harm than it would have only taken only one of you to come and taunt me.” Some of the stories of saints and there experiences with the devil just give more evidence that Satan really is “…nothing but Gods monkey.”
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Master Paul Xavier
Illustrious marceg
Miss Angela Rose
I read about the issue of the Roman Ritual being rather watered down, and not having the necessary effects as it used to. Have you read any of Fr. Amorth’s books? They were very interesting and enlightening as to the issue of demonic possession, and to the demonic themselves.
I too read an article that paraphrased Father Amorth’s assertion that the revised exorcism rites of the Catholic Church were not effective against exorcism inhuman spirits. In fact, Father Amorth clearly states that no priest with a smidgen of experience was consulted during the drafting of the new rites. Fortunately, Father Amorth also asserts that Pope John Paul was told of this “slight oversight”, and thus had thrown in a lifeline to the Vatican’s exorcist clergy at the last minute. The lifeline was simply this: a priest may use the old exorcism rites only if he’s granted permission from the diocese bishop, thereby bypassing the ineffectivenss of the new rites. Thank goodness!
But perhaps this attempt at re-writing the exorcism rites has a much deeper, more sinister motive. Another priest, the late Father Malachi Martin (died in the late 1990s), wrote a book about an alleged satanic ritual that was conducted in the Vatican in 1963. This ritual was conducted by high-ranking Catholic clergy that have always been a servent of the evil one and somehow discovered a way to entrench themselves into the Catholic governing apparatus. Father Martin does say that there a number of Satanists within the Vatican, and they are trying their best to undermine the Church and its power against evil. I believe this is true. My curiosity lies in the possibility that these same Santanic clergy were the ones responsible for making the old exorcism rites ineffective. It’s all too suspicious that a ritual as important as an exorcism can be updated by inexperienced, inept clergy. Hmmm!
It would only make sence that Satan is in the Vatican, a big milltary tactic is to first cripple the leader or commander of the oppsosing army to lose the moral of the troops. Satan’s plan is text but, in the end, ultimately, his efforts are folly, why persue a goal if you know you can never attain it?
I also think that it’s funny that only a priest can perform and exorcism and make it work. A prostant minister can’t do it, we see this example at the salem witch thing, wether or not it was really a case of possesion or not really doesn’t matter Satan was present and caused chaos. i wonder, if it was a Catholic community would be diffrent? and i don’t wish to start anything with protestants, it’s just a question.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there were Satanists infiltrated in the Church. (Not to mention Freemasons, and even homosexuals.) It would certainly explain why we are where we are at today in the Church.
And concerning the Protestant issue, you are right Marc. There is a recorded case of Demonic Possession in a book entitled: ‘Possessed’ in which a young American boy who is possessed is brought to spend a night at a Protestant Reverend’s house. Certain things start happening, like the boy levitating over the floor and such, and the next day, the Minister tells the parents: “I cannot help you, this is best handled by Catholics.” Interesting…
There are many reasons folks think Catholics have a greater authority in exorcising inhuman spirits over other denominations: 1) ~1500 years of experience, 2)a step-by-step process that is written and codified, 3)Hollywood movies that have established a strong connection between Catholicism and exorcism, and 4)the Vatican has a better advertising campaign. However, in reality, many faiths have demonstrated skillfulness in conducting successful exorcisms. But in my research, the Catholics seem to be more adept at it.
The Old Formula has been used throughout Church history, so the Church has the most experience with Possession. Though Hollywood always shows the Catholic Church dealing with Exorcisms, their portrayals aren’t always the best. The best Exorcist film would have to be Emily Rose. It is very CATHOLIC when compared with some other films.
The old right should be restored by the pope with out delay.Also our pope should respect the imagration laws of the U.S.A. or let the 2 million illegal Mexican imagrants flood the welfair doles ,schools and hospitals of the vatican and work for the church.As we are going bankrupt,our emergency rooms are closeing and our schools are flooded with kids who can’t speak,read or wright in english or spanish and working wadges have dropped to 1975.A carpenter makes less now than in 1980!
The church must bring Americans back to her not flood us with illeagles just to fill seats and colection plates.We need the church more than ever and by telling the storys of both those who have been touched by God and those aflicted by demonic forces people will understand what our real battle is here on earth.Political speaches belong to polititions.The Pope should speak for our Holy Father in heaven.
The Pope should go to Mexico and blast the Mexican government for there coruption and human rights violations before lecturing the only country helping Mexicos poor.And in Mexico if you get caught ileagaly entering from Soulth America they shoot them dead on the spot! So who is the Pres.Vicente Fox to call us mean and stingey while he whares a $3,000.00 doller Armani suite.Mexico could use some holey intervention.
The pope’s message is of trying to straigten the Masonic/Marxist values which America has grown to become over the past years. Yes, some things in Mexico are worse than in America, but America is supposedly the ’shining symbol of liberty,’ and if it is to be so, America must be enlightened by Christ.
If what you say is true then our pope is not doing Gods work at all but the work of Satan himself as Marxisom and socialisum are the politics of death and the distruction of the human spirit.From the Nazi’s, Chai Garerra and Joseph Staland Pole Pot.There is totle goverment controle over everyones life.God gave us free will and government and Satan both don’t like it ,thats why we have a bill of rights and the job of our government is to controle our borders.And we bring in over a million leagle new imagrents each year more than all the rest of the worlds countrys combined.I know my wife is a new but leagle imagrent.Our pope will cause our churches to be taxed by getting into U.S. political issues.We will lose our tax exempt status that clearly forbids the church from being political.And very few of our founding fathers where free masons,there are a lot of myths which have been debunked but it dosent stop the spreading of them.I hope what you say is not true.And I don’t think Christ would spread government socialisum.He belived in indiviuals giveing to others out of love of God not being forced by government.
Catholicism is a Religion involved in both Church and State. Look at Medieval Christendom. The world has taken a giant step away from God, making Materialism and money its primary goal, diverting us from Our ultimate Goal, God Himself. What the Pope is trying to do is inspire us with clinging to our Faith, not throwing the Church into a back closet with no affiliation with politics. If you are to be Catholic, you are to live it, in politics, life, and every situation. In a nation where abortion has become a big buisness, I feel the Pope’s visit is necessary.
I am a Catholic and would like to see the end of abortion in my life time,but not unlike God the U.S. alows us the freedom to choose both good and evil in our own lives.If you choose to do wrong there will be Hell to pay.And although it takes alot of money just to live it isent what the whole country is about.We have money because we are alowed to better our selves through our own hard work with minimal coruption unlike Mexico who has the most natural recorses in the world.
The largest silver mines,gold,copper,opal,oil,coal and some very good soil for growing crops. There isen’t a single reason anyone in Mexico should be hungry accept the courage to stand up to there own government,but once they come here they protest,whine and comlain about America and how unfair we are.If they put half the efort into there own country Mexico would be a wealthy nation.I welcome the Pope to my country he is the spiritual leader of my church,but I am not convensed he is infailable as Popes have made some very bad calls like the spanish inqusition for example.And as a Catholic and an American I felt he did more damage to the church than good in his visit by offending us to spite our contributions to our neibor soulth of our border who shoots at our border patrole as a way of thanking us.
I would like to raise a couple notes here:
1. You claim to believe that the Pope is not infallible. If that is so, you ARE NOT a Catholic. For in your statement, you are denying one of the dogmas of the Church. The dogma of Papal Infallibility. The Pope is infallible in matters of Faith and Morals. Say, he were to make an announcement that the RedSox would win the World Series 5 Years in a row. That is not a case of His Holiness using Papal Infallability. As I said, it only pertains to matters of Faith and Morals.
2. If you actually think Mexico so bad, take your argument elsewhere. We ought to remove the splinter from our own eye before going after that of our neighbors.
3. Regarding the matter of the Spanish Inquisition, I recommend reading this article: Spanish Inquisition.
I don’t belive you have to march in lock step hanging on every word from the Pope to be a good Catholic and may remain one in good standing as did my now decieced father who never missed a week of church in his 65 years,and loved the church his whole life.And yes I do think Mexico is bad,how do I know this? the shear numbers comming here from Mexico for example menny in my own family.They don’t have problems with Americans breaking there laws,filling there prisons ect…
And I do think some Popes have recived direct guidence from God but not on every subject.God picks and chooses where and when he guides us all including the Pope who I do respect.But as your pointed out in your world series comment he is not all knowing but guided by God in matters acording to God.I am a Catholic but as a member of the church I share the responsability of her actions,and open my moulth when I feel it is straying from Gods works.As for deletigting this all,thats up to you but in my opinion it would just show you fear healthy debate and are insecure in your belifes.
by the way I just read the comment policy and my posts have not broken any rules.
I will not delete your comment, but as I said before, if you deny the Pope’s Infallability in Matters of Faith and Morals, then you are not Catholic. Your statement “I don’t believe you have to march in lock step hanging on every word from the Pope to be a good Catholic” states that you are labeling yourself as infallible. Your opinion doesn’t matter. My opinion doesn’t matter. The Church’s Teachings are the Church’s Teachings. Take them or leave them. Yes, you can try to bring up certain matters of scandal to the Church’s attention, in hope that Her bishops and priests may do something to correct it, but remember, YOU are NOT an infallible source. If you’re so eager to tear down the Pope’s infallibility, your simply saying that he is human. You are human yourself, so if we go along with what you say, there would be no established authority to guide the Church. Which is why God instituted the Holy Father’s Infallibility in Matters of Faith and Morals. To guide us when no one else can guide us.
Your comments are not breaking any rules. Thank you for being charitable in this debate.
[...]I wouldn’t be surprised if there were Satanists infiltrated in the Church. (Not to mention Freemasons, and even homosexuals.) It would certainly explain why we are where we are at today in the Church.[...]
Have you ever heard that a Freemason almost became Pope once? I have read that in a few different places, including a book on Freemasonry. (Written by a Catholic.) Scary, isn’t it?
Another book with startling revalations is “AA-1025-The Memoirs of an Anti-Apostle”. This book is a collection of biographical notes that a French Catholic nurse found in the brief case of one of her patients. He was a Communist who had purposly entered the priesthood - along with many others, the first half of the book title (AA-1025) was his number - to undermine and help destroy the Catholic Church. It is difficult to not belive what is written in this book, because it so clearly explains what has happened in the Catholic Church.
So no, I would not be surprised if Satanists have made it into the Church. What we should do is pray, and take hope in Chrit’s words “…and upon this Rock, I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”
The Church in the end shall be triumphant. But we must understand that there will be many losses, wars, sufferings, and persecutions before the end. Thanks for the info Amanda! I’ll be sure to take a look into that book.
Was it written by Marie Carre?
I am not infalable and in matters of God and faith I hope the Pope takes direction from above,but be carful not to put the Pope on the same moral ground as Christ himself.Only Christ himself is woth out sin and having said that.God inspiers and in some cases I belive has guided the hand of Popes directly when he feels it’s needed,If we choose to live by his word we all can be an instermant of God’s works,but few rise to the level of Mother Terasa.Like I said I respect the Pope but do not think he is perfect as the Christ and the Dogma of the church is not the church compleatly as she has changed some of her dogmas over the years hasen’t she?
So you must love the church and understand why some of the dogmas where put in to place.But use the mind God gave us to decern truth.
I never said that the Pope was without sin. The Doctrine of Infallibility grants that his Holiness CANNOT err when speaking Ex Cathedra on matters of Faith and Morals. He can err in predicting the weather, he can lead a scandalous life unworthy of the title Successor of Peter, but he CANNOT err when speaking on matters of Faith and Morals. The Catechism of the Catholic Church makes that clear. I suggest you ought to read it. You sound like a Catholic who is dealing with a bit of confusion regarding the issue of the Papacy and such. Reading it should enlighten you to the truth. Concerning dogmas that have changed…can you please name a few?
our church no longer has confechon before the ucarist (sorry my spelling is not so good ) We no longer have alter boys but aulter girls.and the church now lets you choose creamation never accepted before.St.Rose in Roseville.
First of all, these things you’ve listed are not dogmas. Confession is still necessary before receiving communion, Altar Boys are still true to tradition, and just because the Church ‘allows’ cremation, it has never openly approved of it. So there is a big hole in your argument. Dogmas are like the Immaculate Conception, Papal Infallibility, The Trinity and the like.
Jeffrie, in my apologetics book it states that dogmas can never change, but doctrines can.
Paul, yes it was written - well, edited by anyways - Marie Carre. It is published by TAN books. It is really good!
Are you saying that if the Christ him self said one of the Dogmas was not correct it would still never change?
When he illuded to the fact that he was the Christ he was denighed by the first church because they where expecting a Messiah to enslave all men and make the Yahoodies the slave masters of all men.God chose the Yahoodies as his childen to lead us all to him.Then he sent his Son the Christ to die for our Sins(our wreached weakness that keeps God from being able to do his work through us.On our own we are not worthy to serve God but he made a way for us through perfact sacrifice.I would hate for our church to become so Dogmatic that we fail to understand the truth when it stands before us.Some say if Christ returned tomarrow he would be rejected agein.I hope man kind gets it right the second time around because next time he won’t come as the lamb but the lion.
I don’t see Christ coming down and saying that any of the Dogma’s are errors. And He WILL NOT because the Church’s Teaching voice is in unison with that of Christ. The Holy Father is the Vicar of Christ. Which means that he speaks for Christ here on earth.
What if God came down and said the law of Gravity was an error? Or that the sun wasn’t the center of the universe?
Your Arguement concerning Christ contradicting one of the Dogma’s is rather ridiculous.
Um…you are quite off in your statement. The first Church WAS the Catholic Church, founded by Christ Himself. It was Judaism that expected a material Messiah, and it was they who rejected Christ. I suggest you brush up on your Ecclesiastical history before commenting on such things as the early Church. But yes, if Christ would come again, He would most likely be rejected.
Judaisum was the first church and Christ pointed THE WAY for the new church.I guess I could have made that more clear.And as far as Christ contradicting one of the dogmas,We can only wait to see because his will shal be done.
Judaism wasn’t the first Church, but rather the first religion handed down since the beginning of time. Christ instituted the Catholic Church in it’s place when the Jewish Religion failed to recognize their Messaih. As He said: “I have not come to abolish the old law, but fulfill it.” He fulfilled it within the Church. Let’s try to stick to the topic Jeffrie, I’m guilty of wandering off as well. This post is about the revised Exorcism Rite.
I might be the only person on this forum to have lost a family member to posseion.My brother in law at 13 Shaheen.The most horrable thing that can happen to a person on this earth is compleate possesion.And most pepole won’t even belive it is real.Including some in our own church.It is real and unlike any mental illness.When in the preasents of one truly possest you can feel,smell and be sickened by the pure evil.
Wow! that’s got to be pretty scary. But, if you saw The Exorcism of Emily Rose then it is entirely possible that your brother in law was accually able to offer up his suffering and save many souls. I’m not too much of an expert on the subject and only have started to do research on it but it seems like a mighty heavy cross to bear.
It was going to take to long for approval from a bishop so his exorcisum was done by a village holy man.It took days to compleate it.In the end he said the demon is gone.He was thankful to the man who helped him and told his mother he was hungry,he had not been allowed to eat for over a month by the demon so he drank a little water ate a small cookie told his mother he wanted to go back to school and then slipped away. The malnutrition took him in the end but his body was nolonger stiff and ridged,hands would curl up,voice would change compleatly.