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	<title>Comments on: A &#8220;Reflection&#8221; on Transgenderism and Homosexuality</title>
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		<title>By: Master Paul Xavier</title>
		<link>http://catholicdiscussion.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/a-reflection-on-transgender-and-homosexuality/#comment-4592</link>
		<dc:creator>Master Paul Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holly,
I am not able to comment on the medical aspect (MRI) concerning a homosexual&#039;s brain.  But I can and will defend the Catholic Stance Against Homosexuality.  I myself have seen some Christian (Not Catholic) groups protesting, holding signs like &quot;God Hates Fags&quot; and like things.  This is the wrong mentality to be held, since God does not hate anyone, but rather is willing to embrace us with open arms.  But it is Man himself, through the choices made with his free will and intellect, that recjects God&#039;s Mercy.  We sin and oppose our creator, yet still believe that He &quot;LOVES&quot; us, so He will allow us entrance into Heaven.  

This being said, let us focus on WHY homosexuality is a sin.  To understand this, we must look at the Reverence placed on Sex by the Catholic Church.  Sex is to be used for procreation purposes, not to be abused by one or the other.  Especially since, in Marriage, the Husband and Wife become one.  Their love unites to bring forth children into this world.  It&#039;s not a matter of the man seeking gratification from his wife. (Which often enough is the case.)  Relationships based upon sex as a pleasure in itself, (to be pursued for the sake of pleasure) are condemned by the Church for abusing the Gift From God.  Homosexuality is condemned, for it is not a relationship based off of love, it is based off of Sexual Gratification from one&#039;s partner.  

You will probably say, &quot;Why doesn&#039;t the Church condemn heterosexual relationships where people indulge in premarital sexual activity?&quot;  The Catholic Church openly condemns htis as well, for once again, a man and woman must be united through the Sacrament of Matrimony in order for &#039;the two to be come one.&#039;  Pre-marital sex is nearly the same as homosexuality, since many a time, people are involved in the relationship only for sex.  There are instances where the couple may have true affection for one another.  But then again, I see a lot of people who have affection for their pets.  Marriage is a test of true love, where the man and woman unite to share their hardships and trials, in order to follow after Christ, and in the process, bring children into the world, so that they may share in the Glory of the Everlasting Kingdom.

So, once again, an overview:  The Church doesn&#039;t condemn homosexuals because they&#039;re &#039;People&#039;, but rather, because the sin of homosexuality is one which abuses the Gift of Sex.  

Sincerely,
Master Xavier</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly,<br />
I am not able to comment on the medical aspect (MRI) concerning a homosexual&#8217;s brain.  But I can and will defend the Catholic Stance Against Homosexuality.  I myself have seen some Christian (Not Catholic) groups protesting, holding signs like &#8220;God Hates Fags&#8221; and like things.  This is the wrong mentality to be held, since God does not hate anyone, but rather is willing to embrace us with open arms.  But it is Man himself, through the choices made with his free will and intellect, that recjects God&#8217;s Mercy.  We sin and oppose our creator, yet still believe that He &#8220;LOVES&#8221; us, so He will allow us entrance into Heaven.  </p>
<p>This being said, let us focus on WHY homosexuality is a sin.  To understand this, we must look at the Reverence placed on Sex by the Catholic Church.  Sex is to be used for procreation purposes, not to be abused by one or the other.  Especially since, in Marriage, the Husband and Wife become one.  Their love unites to bring forth children into this world.  It&#8217;s not a matter of the man seeking gratification from his wife. (Which often enough is the case.)  Relationships based upon sex as a pleasure in itself, (to be pursued for the sake of pleasure) are condemned by the Church for abusing the Gift From God.  Homosexuality is condemned, for it is not a relationship based off of love, it is based off of Sexual Gratification from one&#8217;s partner.  </p>
<p>You will probably say, &#8220;Why doesn&#8217;t the Church condemn heterosexual relationships where people indulge in premarital sexual activity?&#8221;  The Catholic Church openly condemns htis as well, for once again, a man and woman must be united through the Sacrament of Matrimony in order for &#8216;the two to be come one.&#8217;  Pre-marital sex is nearly the same as homosexuality, since many a time, people are involved in the relationship only for sex.  There are instances where the couple may have true affection for one another.  But then again, I see a lot of people who have affection for their pets.  Marriage is a test of true love, where the man and woman unite to share their hardships and trials, in order to follow after Christ, and in the process, bring children into the world, so that they may share in the Glory of the Everlasting Kingdom.</p>
<p>So, once again, an overview:  The Church doesn&#8217;t condemn homosexuals because they&#8217;re &#8216;People&#8217;, but rather, because the sin of homosexuality is one which abuses the Gift of Sex.  </p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Master Xavier</p>
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		<title>By: Holly O.</title>
		<link>http://catholicdiscussion.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/a-reflection-on-transgender-and-homosexuality/#comment-4590</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some unbeknownst reason, G-d has placed homosexuals in my life from early childhood onwards.  I have watched many gay men grow up from childhood to adulthood and I firmly believe that the MRI scan study, can be easily explained.  When gay men start exploring the gay world, they are often still giving the impression of being straight-they still act straight, they talk straight, they dress straight, and they still have lots of straight friends and family-however, 5 or so years after their &quot;coming out&quot; they act gay, they dress gay, they talk gay, and they have far fewer straight friends-particularly after all their straight &quot;faghags&quot; go off and get married and have kids.  By the mid thirties or so, many gay men are living in an almost completely gay world barring work and an occasional visit to family.  Therefore, it would not surprise me that their brain scans resemble womens, they are not living in an environment that even remotely resembles the heterosexual world.  A more accurate study, would be to examine the brain scans of a young gay men who thinks he might be gay, re-examine at the time they come out, re-examine at 5 and 10 years after coming out-then let us see if there is a gradual change in how the brain is working.  It has never ceased to amaze me, how a gay man, can become an entirely different man 5 or 10 years after coming out.  The excuse given, is of course, they are finally free to be who they are but personal experience tells me that they are just chameleons who become what their predominant environment is.  And please don&#039;t call me ignorant, I have had closeted gay neighbors, gay partners that I grew up with in the ballet world, gay friends, gay family, gay co-workers and gay ex boyfriends.  I also have former gay friends who have reverted.  I was the original faghag in the 80&#039;s and 90&#039;s and I am still friends with a few of the gay men that I have known throught out the years.  I am sorry that some in the Christian world, automatically hate the homosexual as if by reflex.  I have seen the signs, the protests and the acts of hate by those who claim Christianity.  However, I think you need to learn to distinguish between those who hate and those who are this website, who hate the sin.  There is a difference.

However, this thread was originally about a letter that a young woman wrote.  I hope that it went well and would like to hear about your teacher&#039;s response.  Sorry that your opinions were highjacked by others.

Holly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some unbeknownst reason, G-d has placed homosexuals in my life from early childhood onwards.  I have watched many gay men grow up from childhood to adulthood and I firmly believe that the MRI scan study, can be easily explained.  When gay men start exploring the gay world, they are often still giving the impression of being straight-they still act straight, they talk straight, they dress straight, and they still have lots of straight friends and family-however, 5 or so years after their &#8220;coming out&#8221; they act gay, they dress gay, they talk gay, and they have far fewer straight friends-particularly after all their straight &#8220;faghags&#8221; go off and get married and have kids.  By the mid thirties or so, many gay men are living in an almost completely gay world barring work and an occasional visit to family.  Therefore, it would not surprise me that their brain scans resemble womens, they are not living in an environment that even remotely resembles the heterosexual world.  A more accurate study, would be to examine the brain scans of a young gay men who thinks he might be gay, re-examine at the time they come out, re-examine at 5 and 10 years after coming out-then let us see if there is a gradual change in how the brain is working.  It has never ceased to amaze me, how a gay man, can become an entirely different man 5 or 10 years after coming out.  The excuse given, is of course, they are finally free to be who they are but personal experience tells me that they are just chameleons who become what their predominant environment is.  And please don&#8217;t call me ignorant, I have had closeted gay neighbors, gay partners that I grew up with in the ballet world, gay friends, gay family, gay co-workers and gay ex boyfriends.  I also have former gay friends who have reverted.  I was the original faghag in the 80&#8217;s and 90&#8217;s and I am still friends with a few of the gay men that I have known throught out the years.  I am sorry that some in the Christian world, automatically hate the homosexual as if by reflex.  I have seen the signs, the protests and the acts of hate by those who claim Christianity.  However, I think you need to learn to distinguish between those who hate and those who are this website, who hate the sin.  There is a difference.</p>
<p>However, this thread was originally about a letter that a young woman wrote.  I hope that it went well and would like to hear about your teacher&#8217;s response.  Sorry that your opinions were highjacked by others.</p>
<p>Holly</p>
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		<title>By: IIzO</title>
		<link>http://catholicdiscussion.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/a-reflection-on-transgender-and-homosexuality/#comment-4404</link>
		<dc:creator>IIzO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;yes that is very trus but why did God give us these impluses and desires? so that we coul have children.&quot;You do not understand....impulses and desire dont make babies...not fertile people cant make babies but enjoy sex....you can  have sex without making babies...there are no &quot;if you have sex make a baby&quot; in nature...so stop imposinga false view on the matter and you still have to prove me god so the argument is not valid to me .If i had to answer you question with the hypothesis of god existance all i could say is &quot;he felt like it&quot; since there are many ways to express sexual desire that do not include making a baby.
&quot;if you misuse it, then it becomes wrong. well it is the same thing with sex, if you misuse it, then it becomes wrong.&quot; Its the same for everything excess in everything results on pain , sadness incomprehension ,lie etc but it seems that what you call &quot;misuse&quot; is relative to people...i do not think people of same sex having sexual relations a &quot;misuse&quot;...there are no bad after effects , if they are adults and love each others then i dont see how i can say its bad ,i just dont understand their liking of the same sex ,but i have to admit they do and i accepted it .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;yes that is very trus but why did God give us these impluses and desires? so that we coul have children.&#8221;You do not understand&#8230;.impulses and desire dont make babies&#8230;not fertile people cant make babies but enjoy sex&#8230;.you can  have sex without making babies&#8230;there are no &#8220;if you have sex make a baby&#8221; in nature&#8230;so stop imposinga false view on the matter and you still have to prove me god so the argument is not valid to me .If i had to answer you question with the hypothesis of god existance all i could say is &#8220;he felt like it&#8221; since there are many ways to express sexual desire that do not include making a baby.<br />
&#8220;if you misuse it, then it becomes wrong. well it is the same thing with sex, if you misuse it, then it becomes wrong.&#8221; Its the same for everything excess in everything results on pain , sadness incomprehension ,lie etc but it seems that what you call &#8220;misuse&#8221; is relative to people&#8230;i do not think people of same sex having sexual relations a &#8220;misuse&#8221;&#8230;there are no bad after effects , if they are adults and love each others then i dont see how i can say its bad ,i just dont understand their liking of the same sex ,but i have to admit they do and i accepted it .</p>
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		<title>By: matthew901</title>
		<link>http://catholicdiscussion.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/a-reflection-on-transgender-and-homosexuality/#comment-4392</link>
		<dc:creator>matthew901</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well i do understand that copulation can result into the making of a baby…but its not the major reason of the sexual act…men (at least me) are not atracted by women’s body because “they want children” but because of sexual pulsions…child can be wanted…but the major reasons of sexual acts are desire and the search of pleasure (when you are hungry you eat…even if i understand that the analogy is a bit crude) and why would being gay “unnatural” i do not understand that…every sexual behavior are slighlty different depending of the peoples…&quot;
yes that is very trus but why did God give us these impluses and desires? so that we coul have children. and even then, if you use the same eating analogy, you can satisfy your eating desire but if you misuse it, then it becomes wong. well it is the same thing with sex, if you misuse it, then it becomes wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well i do understand that copulation can result into the making of a baby…but its not the major reason of the sexual act…men (at least me) are not atracted by women’s body because “they want children” but because of sexual pulsions…child can be wanted…but the major reasons of sexual acts are desire and the search of pleasure (when you are hungry you eat…even if i understand that the analogy is a bit crude) and why would being gay “unnatural” i do not understand that…every sexual behavior are slighlty different depending of the peoples…&#8221;<br />
yes that is very trus but why did God give us these impluses and desires? so that we coul have children. and even then, if you use the same eating analogy, you can satisfy your eating desire but if you misuse it, then it becomes wong. well it is the same thing with sex, if you misuse it, then it becomes wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: IIzO</title>
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		<dc:creator>IIzO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the original reason for intercourse was to have children, but when homosexuals have intercourse, they have it only for the pleasure and that destroys the whole idea of it.&quot;...Well i do understand that copulation can result into the making of a baby...but its not the major reason of the sexual act...men (at least me) are not atracted by women&#039;s body because &quot;they want children&quot; but because of sexual pulsions...child can be wanted...but the major reasons of sexual acts are desire and the search of pleasure (when you are hungry you eat...even if i understand that the analogy is a bit crude) and why would being gay &quot;unnatural&quot; i do not understand that...every sexual behavior are slighlty different depending of the peoples...
&quot;Rather than adults ‘loving’ whomever, it turns into a lust frenzy.&quot; Thats a bad prejudice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the original reason for intercourse was to have children, but when homosexuals have intercourse, they have it only for the pleasure and that destroys the whole idea of it.&#8221;&#8230;Well i do understand that copulation can result into the making of a baby&#8230;but its not the major reason of the sexual act&#8230;men (at least me) are not atracted by women&#8217;s body because &#8220;they want children&#8221; but because of sexual pulsions&#8230;child can be wanted&#8230;but the major reasons of sexual acts are desire and the search of pleasure (when you are hungry you eat&#8230;even if i understand that the analogy is a bit crude) and why would being gay &#8220;unnatural&#8221; i do not understand that&#8230;every sexual behavior are slighlty different depending of the peoples&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Rather than adults ‘loving’ whomever, it turns into a lust frenzy.&#8221; Thats a bad prejudice.</p>
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