On Gandhi
May 8, 2008
Although a post about Gandhi may seem random, I had just finished reading about him in my philosophy class and many of my classmates and my instructor view this man as a saint and I can’t seem to figure out why. This man was a horrible father to his kids, a bad husband, and a pedofile of sorts. This seems to be quite a harsh accusation and I myself was shocked to hear some of this stuff. I never really like the to begin with, he seemed to be pretty wishy washy to me.
To give you a small bit of background Gandhi was studying to be in law. His father was very sick and according to the Hindu religion every one has Drama or duty according to ones state in life. He was by his fathers bedside the night that he died and he was with him from some time. After being with him he went up to his room and started to have sex with his wife. A servant came up to his room to announce his fathers death, so he was with his wife when his father died. Gandhi was mortified, in his eyes he had failed to carry out his Darma or his duty. He was filled with much guilt and shame and didn’t really know what to do with his life (it seemed). In his early years after his fathers death it almost seemed like he was searching for purpose. He basically then became the “Son of India” overnight. There was a protest for something (i forgot what) and he stood up and spoke his mind, people then liked what he said and that’s when he started his ‘cult’ following. That was the very, very, very short version.
So we see that a possible reason for Gandhi’s motivation was guilt. Not a bad motivation if good comes out of it right? Well not if you carry out that guilt for the rest of your life and never get over it. One must move on in his life, one can’t dwell on the past. If Gandhi then was guilty for not fulfilling his darmha in his early years do you not think that he would be most cautious not do fail again? Gandhi had two sons (I think I only remember two) one of them turned alright but the other one felt neglected. Gandhi would often go on long trips from his family and called for a radical change in the style of life, which he entitled Shatyagraha (the heart of his movement). His son feeling neglected and not part of his fathers life became very upset and became a drunkard and a prostitute (kind of an odd combination). The over all conclusion in the class was that India was the greater good. More important than his family. Now I don’t know about you but I think God Himself would rather see Gandhi bring up too wonderful sons rather than ignoring them for the most part. If he realized this he could have raised his sons to tackle this issue rather than himself, two heads are better than one, no?
Gandhi also took the Hindu vow of chastity called—–. Now taking a vow of chastity in a marriage is a true sacrifice and not everyone is called to do it. I personally do not think that Gandhi was called to do it. I think that the motivation behind him taking this vow was because of his guilt. Now, I know that his religion preaches darmah and duty but this is taking it bit too far. He didn’t see his wife enough anyways when he clearly could have. Like I said before he should brought up his sons in a way that they would tackle the freedom and unity of India, his primary job was too make ripples in the water, make a path for his sons to follow and then to let them do the rest. But Gandhi did not see this he saw him self as the one who needed to carry out this mission. He could then be with his wife and then possibly take the vow, I’m surprised that his marriage lasted. Not seeing his like he could have and not saying ‘I love you’ in a way that only a married couple can, kind of takes away the specialty of his marriage. It’s almost looks as though he thought that his family got in the way of his higher purpose. After all he did say (and I paraphrase) “I treat my family like I do the rest of India.” shouldn’t be the other way around?
Now I’m sure you’re wondering why I made the statement that he was a “pedofile of sorts”. I say this because he would sleep naked with young Hindu girls. I was amazed when I herd this from a video from the tape of him on the Biography channel. To me this didn’t make any sense, this didn’t sound like the Gandhi I knew. But, the video said that he did this to put his Chastity vow into practice. That sounds pretty stupid to me. That’s like saying “Ok Satan hear I am, give me your best shot because I can resist any temptation you throw at me!” I don’t care who you are, to put your self in a predicament where you can, very easily, go to HELL is dumb. Putting yourself in the way of temptation is not good to teach the kids, in this sense you can say that he was corrupting the youth. I heard it said somewhere before that it would be better that those who corrupt the youth never had been born, not to give comfort to the souls in Hell but, it is better to live an eternity in Hell than should one never be born.
I personally think that Gandhi did get a bit big headed about his role in being the son of India. He made the statement that he did find it exhilarating when he would see mobs of people shouting and praising his name. Yes, it would be very hard to be humble but you still have to try. The book that I read in class told about his philosophy but no where in there did it mention about being humble. He was also against doctors for some reason I could never really understand why, but when his wife was dieing he told her to refuse medical treatment. Then later on in his life he received medical treatment himself not explaining it to the public to my knowledge. So why this contradiction? My assessment is that he found himself too important to die.
I never really liked Gandhi and know I know why. It looks although he did have good intentions though but never really succeeded. His goal for unity was lost when the Muslims went and founded Palestine and broke off from India. Why did his mission fail? With all the political stuff behind us, the reason why he failed was because he created with his philosophy a relativegod. According to him your religion didn’t matter just let people do there own thing and be at peace with each other. He does have a point and we do have to get along to the extent of no more war ect. but we must not be yielding in the area of faith. We must be willing to accept people but reject their sin. This is hard when people like to wallow in there sin and to be consumed by it by saying things like “Well it’s who I am and I can’t change that.” People like to look at themselves as their own little god, and we all know that that ends up failing. Hitler is a popular example for such things. He tried to ‘correct’ God by saying that he could make a better person. HA! Yea, we saw how well that worked out. So Gandhi in a sense did make himself a little god by promoting his new relative god. He changed the nature of a god there for he must be a god, there for he made himself a little god.
May 10, 2008 at 10:48 AM
Haha you are right..he is wayyy overrated!
May 16, 2008 at 9:28 AM
There is so much about his character that we never hear of. On the plane from Frankfurt, the lady besides me was reading something about the Dolly Lama? Rather interesting. I would have said something, but I didn’t want to be stuck besides an enemy for 7 hours.
July 23, 2008 at 12:06 AM
I am afraid you know very little about Gandhi. Either you were not listening so well or your teacher was lecturing on a subject he is not learned in. I will only take the time in this email to address of the many miss-informations you are stating in your comments. You stated, “He basically then became the “Son of India” overnight. There was a protest for something (i forgot what) and he stood up and spoke his mind, people then liked what he said and that’s when he started his ‘cult’ following”
This day you speak of never happened. Gandhi became a lawyer and worked as one for most of his adult life. After passing the English bar and returning to India for some time he spent nearly 20 years in South Africa. This is where he started to slowly gain popularity. There he worked for free in public service battling racism. He had to face imprisonment, beatings and life treats. He endured this all and changed the way South Africa viewed it’s non-white population. While this was going on he received much press back in India and was know by many.
When he returned to India, still only partially known there, he continued his peaceful service to the public. He also renounced all his possessions. Gandhi constantly toured India’s poorest villages, attempting to set up education, cleanliness, and health programs. He did this traveling 3rd class. One of his goals was to show that all people regardless of class or religion were equal human beings. He went on to do many other great things. His popularity was not an over night cult success by any means. It grew steadily throughout his 78 years of life through selfless service. Most pictures you see of him today are from when he was 60 years old or more. He started his work when he was in his late 20’s (much like Jesus).
I wish to bring up quickly your opinion of guilt being the major motivation of Gandhi’s life of service. Again, I humbily believe that you do not know much about Gandhi. If you would read his autobiography and listen to his speeches you would know this to not be true. I can not explain Gandhi’s motivation in only a paragraph, nor do I feel any but Gandhi fully understood Gandhi’s motivation. I can say with full confidence though that it was not the guilt of not being present for his fathers death that fueled his life of service (unless you are Freud).
I am sure you meant well in the feelings you were stating about Gandhi. I fear you must have been taught these untruths. Anyone can argue that Gandhi is not a saint, after all saint is a Christian title. But he was certainly a humanitarian who brought our world closer to peace.
PS it’s Dalai Lama not Dolly
July 23, 2008 at 9:45 AM
Well, I don’t think you should criticize Marc for ‘not knowing’ so much about about Gandhi, but rather criticize the school system which taught him this about Gandhi. But if the public schools are teaching this, clearly there must be some truth to it.
I won’t continue as I myself don’t know much about Gandhi, maybe after some research I’ll discuss him a bit more here on the blog.
August 10, 2008 at 4:39 AM
To correct one significant error in the final paragraph: the Muslims didn’t break off from India to found Palestine.
It was Pakistan.
To say, “if public schools are teaching this, clearly there must be some truth in it” is also, I’m afraid, an ignorant remark.
August 30, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Anyone who believes this slanderous post about Gandhi should do some research for themselves. The whole thing is innacurate.
Gadhi once remarked that he was very fond of Jesus but found it odd that christian behavoir does not resemble that of their messiah.
Can catholics seriously condemn a man who gave his life to better others’ while living many years in poverty and prison, achieved international racial justice and overthrew an occupying and exploitng power without shedding a single drop of blood, a man who still showed love and respect to the empire which had raped his mother nation, who took nothing for himself and truly lived by the principle of ‘turn the other cheek’?
I cannot think of a single christian saint who did as much.
Besides, Catholocism was in fact created by a
bloodthursty Pagan, the Roman dictator Constantine (Hence ‘Roman Catholocism’) who burnt all bibles he could get his hands on and had the new testament re-written with his political motives in mind. The Roman empire was in disasterous decline and Catholicism allowed it to continue its stranglehold on europe through religion, which it continued to do for a further 1,100 years until the arrival of Luther and Protestantism grew out of the tainted ruins of Jesus’ religion. (Please don’t take my word for it, find out yourself, its well documented)
Catholics should keep this in mind when they continue to take their orders from Italy and condemn people that live by Jesus’ principles.
September 16, 2008 at 10:28 PM
It is downright sad and appalling that you even wrote this post without doing any research whatsoever! It shows your ignorance on the subject and as others have pointed out, really scary if this was taught to you. Gandhi’s sathyagraha movement is what brought the “British raj” to its knees. The violent struggles the indian people underwent to secure their freedom never dented the british. But the Non-violent struggle by ghandi (AKA the sathyagraha you ignorantly mentioned) finally drove the British out of india and finally after 200 years of struggle, India gained her independence thanks to the “half-naked Fakir” (as the british called him). BTW, he is not called the son of india, but rather he is called the “father of modern India”.
If you had done more research, you would have found out that he was also the inspiration for the Rev. Martin Luther King jr. Just so that you know, he was the champion of the Blacks in america. If you are seeing an african-american today running for the president of america, he should be thankful to Dr. King. King led the blacks in a non-violent movement (aka sathyagraha adopted from gandhi’s principles) to gain their freedom from white oppression. BTW, this was in the 1960s…30 years after gandhi’s death. So in principle, the Blacks owe a lot of thier freedom to the principles of sathyagraha preached by ghandhi.
In short, you see, he was a saint irrespective of whether you call him as one or not. to millions of people he gave hope, inspiration and a reason to fight. He has made this world a better place. Just in case you are one of those shallow people who believe in votes and stuff, he was voted one of the greatest people of the 19th century.
Next time, when you submit something like this, make sure you do your research. Atleast take time to go search on google or wikipedia. They have some good articles on it.
October 2, 2008 at 4:20 PM
And if his two [actually four] boys each had two boys and they each had to boys and they each had to boys, just imagine the POWER!
“He [said he found]it exhilarating [to] see mobs of people shouting and praising his name”
Well.. humble is the opposite of proud or arrogant. Non-humble statements are about you’re high ability or value, like “I’m the best,” “I know everything,” “I am the most important person here,” etc. What you have above is about how he reacts to crowds. It’s as arrogant as Lance Armstrong saying “I get excited at the Tour de France.”
p.s. “Muslims went and founded Palestine and broke off from India,” hahahaha.
October 5, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Wow, you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. I find that really sad. You just blindly believe whatever you are told without doing any fact-checking for yourself.
October 5, 2008 at 7:29 PM
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October 6, 2008 at 12:41 PM
The author of this post definately knew what he was talking about. Maybe you should read up too. the same applies for everyone!
October 11, 2008 at 11:00 PM
you are right: Mahatmaci was a human being and not a god. that’s why he had a few mistakes. but this essay would be found heavier as a mistake than all his mistakes together. but un/fortunately (i mean you are lucky) there is no such a balance to weigh that mistake.
October 26, 2008 at 1:16 AM
Wow….ignorance at it’s peak… How could you possibly say this stuff about Gandhi, and not back it up?? maybe it’s the school, or you, or both the school AND you, that are terribly illiterate on this topic..
October 26, 2008 at 9:15 PM
It was definitely the school!
November 5, 2008 at 7:54 PM
You ofend the memory of a great man in a very profound way. Your ignorance only compares to your inhability to have a self made opinnion
November 28, 2008 at 9:31 AM
I like INDIA and also like My GHANDHI
January 7, 2009 at 10:37 PM
oh yea, it could more convincing if you photoshoped the picture better.
January 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM
I am pained to see such an ignorant post about Gandhi. Just reading a third hand information about Gandhi in a school does not give a faint idea about the man and his works. It is disheartening that even some one commented that he is overrated. I for myself had a bad opinion about Gandhi before making a thorough research about him and I had no option than to change that opinion. There were many leaders who fought for the Indian freedom but Gandhi with his non-violent methods literally shook the British to the core. And probably you have no idea how hard he worked for the upliftment of India. I don’t know of anyone who stuck to truth even under so adverse circumstances.
And how many hardships he had to undergo to help the poor. I recommend you to read the book ‘The fiery Ordeal’. It might give you an idea.
April 23, 2009 at 9:50 AM
@Miss Angela Rose: yeah, and I think Jesus is also absolutely overrated…
May 1, 2009 at 1:41 PM
I have just learned about Gandhi in my school, and found this while looking for pictures. I don’t know what kind of school you go to, but either you or your school have some pretty messed up views. You could have possibly been right about all these facts, and it would not make a difference. The thing is, he was the hero of an opressed nation subjected to extreme racism. His good deeds outweigh any bad deeds he did, to an almost limitless extent. Please, don’t be a Gandhi Flamer.
June 1, 2009 at 10:46 AM
sarah,
Your so much like Gandhi!
Why so much hate?
Truly your words are poison! And will never be
printed on this site.